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he said he is not a patriot in his words but it did inspire to trigger this debate that the president believes is positive. he was very passionate in defending obama care, going after the republicans, making it clear that if the republicans had their way, he said 30 million americans would not be eligible for affordable health care and he's clearly indicated he's willing to make a major fight on all of these issues. we're going to have extensive coverage coming up on "the lead." later i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. in "the situation room." but let's turn it over to john berman. he's picking up our coverage in "the lead." >> thank you so much, wolf. i'm john berman filling in for jake tapper while he's away. the president just wrapped up his press conference as you saw. he's expected to leave tomorrow
for a week-long vacation with his family on martha's vineyard. he covered everything from the controversy over edward snowden and he had some fascinating words about mr. snowden to the investigation of benghazi and his constant battle with congressional republicans, especially over health care. we will delve into all the news and get reactions from top republicans. let's begin with jessica yellin. jessica joins us from the east room where the president just wrapped up. jessica, as i said, a range of topics but his statement in the thrust of what the president seemed to want to talk about were the surveillance programs that edward snowden shined so much light on. >> reporter: he laid out a framework for more information to come from the administration in the next weeks i think with declassifying, indicating they are going to declassify some programs. today what we're learning are
the broad framework that sort of allows the nsa to collect their surveillance and the legal thinking behind their justifications for the surveillance, but we're going to get a lot more detail, we're told, about exactly what the government does when they're looking through e-mails and looking through phone records, et cetera. so i think there is more information to come. that's some big news. boy, did they cover the range of topics. i was at the end of the press conference and they got through most of my questions. so by the end, you could see him, he usually gets a little bit testy at the very end. so can you sometimes get the most fire riery answer when he a little tired by then. but he seemed very subdued today. very calm. in the first term he would get much more prickly in these settings. he just doesn't seem to get all that riled up now.
seems like not a lot will bother him. he did get a little on edge about obama. a range of issues and that's only touch of emotion i saw from him. >> he talked about putin's slouch, he looks likes the bored kid at the back of the classroom. that was certainly interesting. perhaps the most important thing, he issued a four-point plan to really make the surveillance program more transparent to the american people. jessica yellin, sit tight. we'll come back to you. also with us, hillary rosen and republican strategist kevin maddon. thanks so much for being with us. what struck you, hillary, from what the president had to say? >> jessica kind of hit it at the end, which is the president today was confident, he was enthusiastic about sharing his latest thinking on the nsa leaks and he was passionate about two
things he cares about, which is making sure that 30 million people actually get health care and that the republicans don't succeed with these crazy threats about shutting down the government instead of giving people health care, and that he really wants to see immigration happen. i thought the president was clear today and there was a little bit of something for everyone, particularly in that nsa speech. >> the president did want to seem to focus on surveillance, kevin. he seems to feel he has the support on these nsa programs that they didn't even know about until june. listen. >> i'm comfortable if the american people examined exactly what was taking place, how it was being used, what the safeguards were, that they would say, you know what, these folks are following the law and doing what they say they're doing. but it is absolutely true that
with the expansion of technology, this is an area that's moving very quickly, with the revelations that have depleted public trust, that if there are some additional things that we can do to build that trust back up -- >> so in our last polling 50% of americans approved of the nsa's programs. 44% disapproved of them. that was in a recent pew poll. so, kevin, is the president right? do americans trust the nsa in are they apathetic or is is there an atmosphere of mistrust? >> this is quite different in the sense that it doesn't break along the typical partisan or ideological lines that usually break along here in washington. that's why you have some republicans and democrats that are somewhat support of i the president and i think that's also a reflection of w there are consistents you. the first the president
mentioned part of his reform would be section 215 of the patriot act. i worked at the department of justice when they reauthorized the patriot act. that is a very misunderstood and easily demagogued issue. it's going to be a challenge for him as he works through some of the reforms there. the second part is he said he wants to work with congress. the question is is whether or not that is rhetoric or he really wants to put it into practice. >>, hillary. what we heard from the president is exactly what you'd want to hear from a president of the 21st century. technology has changed. he said he's going to create a task force of experts to evaluate this. i think both congress and the administration have a lot of new information that's happening in the marketplace that they're going to benefit from but really you want a president to say this work is important, we need to find out about terrorist threats but we're going to make sure that we are doing everything we
need to to stay up to technology and protect civil liberties. i thought he struck exactly the right tone there. >> he talks a lot about task force and he's good at talking about task force. the criticism on capitol hill is they're upset the president has been reluctant to make a stronger case for the nsa. let's hope that changes. a lot of republicans will hope that changes going forward. >> we're seeing a loot of criticism from republicans saying he is not doing enough to defend the nsa. we'll get to that in a second. there's something fascinating about people who have asked question, raised questions. he praised those who have lawfully raised their voices. he called them patriots. so he was asked if he thought edward snowden should be considered a patriot for raising the question that he raised. listen to what he thinks. >> no, i don't think that mr. snowden was a patriot.
mr. snowden has been charged with three felonies. if he in fact believes what he did was right hereby can come here with a lawyer make his case. >> i was struck by the fact of how far the president went to say i was asking these very same questions before edward snowden. it wasn't a very strong co condemnation. >> he directly addressing edward snowden. that's an interesting debate to have. one of the problems is because edward snowden has been the person talking the most about this program, that has been the result here. it's largely an issue defined by what edward snowden is saying to various reporters. this is an opportunity again to take charge, to take this opportunity to really offer a really robust defense and
explanation of this program and why it makes americans safe. >> hillary, you did i agree. you're shaking your head. >> because i think the president did that. i think he was saying that america who disagree or are asking the laws of our country, but what edward snowden did is not that. that's why he's being charged with a crime. he ran away and ran away to countries that we feel the most threatened by in these security leaks in some respects. so i think that the president have been clear about that. i think they've been clear all along that what they do is lawful surveillance of real terrorist threats. i don't think he has anything to apologize for about how much he has defended this program. what i think is wrong is republicans who are looking for a divide here that does not exist. to say the president shouldn't be worried about civil
liberties -- >> there are many -- >> there are no reasons to create a problem here when one doesn't exist. the majority of our elected officials believe these programs are valuable. >> the president addressed the gulf between what he said about surveillance programs as a senator and what he's now done as president. let's listen. >> keep in mind as a senator i expressed a healthy skepticism about these programs. and as president i've taken steps to make sure they have strong oversight by all three branches of government. >> so what do you think? did he really address that void, that chasm between what he said as a senator, kevin and what he's been saying as president? >> he was not a healthy skeptic, he was a critic. many in the national infrastructure believe he's moved in the right direction and
they're more important to just read from then senator obama in 2007. he said, quote, your next president will actually believe in the constitution, which you can't say about your current president. hillary -- that's not a statement can you judge his whole view on. what he said today was he believed in the program. he supported in fact -- despite what kevin said, he actually voted to maintain the program and keep it going. what he has said is there is a role for people to evaluate the civil liberties aspects of this and now he's taking the opportunity a as president to put those reforms in. that doesn't undermine the whole program and this doesn't take anythi anything. jessica, i'd like your input into the positioning here from the white house because that is fascinating to me what went on
today. president obama seemed on the one hand to defend the nas program. no laws have been broken, the surveillance hasn't done anything wrong, no civil liberties have been infringed upon yet i think i need to do a better job explaining that fact to americans. >> they've been under fire here at the white house for not doing a, quote, good enough job explaining why they have the surveillance programs. that's what the defenders of the program say and even some of the companies that are involved in getting the subpoenas. so they've and they can say
that's been answered. >> okay, sit tight for a second. coming up next on "the lead," the president uses the bully pulpit to carry on his fight in congress. he has tough words for republicans when we come back. c? 20? new purina one true instinct has 30. active dogs crave nutrient-dense food. so we made purina one true instinct. learn more at purinaone.com these chevys are moving fast. i'll take that malibu. yeah, excuse me. the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! ask
welcome back to the lead, everyone. i'm jake tapper. president obama just spoke for an hour, a news conference that discussed the nsa and edward snowden and the cooling relationship with russia. i'm joined by peter king. congressman king, let me play you one reform the president said he would make about the nsa.
let's listen. >> so at my direction the department of justice will make public the legal rationale for the government's collection activities under section 215 of the patriot act. >> so congressman king, i should tell you your office has already sent out a statement really condemning the president's comments on the nsa. elaborate. what was
wrong with what the president said? >> this is a terrible failure of leadership. this is the nsa version of the obama apology talk. this is a successful program. the nsa program is successful. yesterday the president is allowing edward snowden to pull the puppet strings. this man is a traitor to our country and the president somehow feels he has to cater to him. for the last two months since this issue has been out there, the president has been awol, m.i.a. he's been silent.
you have saxby chambliss, myself, no president. in a time of war to be setting up a task force to tell him what he should be doing. can you imagine harry truman, winston church hill doing this? every program we have is always susceptible to reform. to be silent about it and suddenly jump because edward snowden has revealed secrets and put our country at risk, it's somehow like a moral equivalency. i wish he showed the same anger toward edward snowden as he did toward republicans on obama care. there was no outrage there when he was asked do you think he's a patriot? what do you mean you don't think he is? this man's a traitor. to me commander in chief should show much more war time leadership than has been show by
civil liberties -- it was over the potential that civil liberties could be violated. you're criticizing for setting up this four-step plan. there's nothing in there that aggressively calls for a change in the program. there's nothing out there saying he'll implement that review says. >> when a president is under siege for carry out a program in a time of war, he should be aggressively defending it. and talking about snowden, the most part is if he just has to ride the wave of getting out. like they're both reformers but one went too far. he didn't even say espionage. i can't imagine franklin roosevelt, harry truman, john
kennedy, dwight eisenhower doing this at a time of war. >> the president was also asked about health care, obama care and continued republican opposition to it. let me play part of what the president said. >> my friends in the other party have made the idea of preventing these people from getting health care their holy grail. their number one priority. the one unifying principle in the republican party at the moment is making sure that 30 million people don't have health care. >> so the president suggested your party's one unifying principle is appealing obama care. is that a fair statement first of all? and then let me ask you do you think that the effort to repeal obama care is a waste of time? >> i believe we should be attempting to repeal obama care. let me make it clear, i don't believe -- one of the questions was about shutting down the
government, the debt ceiling, whatever. i don't believe the republican party should be using the threat of shutting down the government as a way to shut down obama care. i think we should continue our efforts to reale it but do it in a direct way and not do it by holding a gun on the debt ceiling. to that extent i agree with the president but on the other hand, i am strongly opposed to obama. >> all right, congressman king, thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it, sir. >> up next, more of the president's news conference. the president elaborated on his working relationship with russian president vladimir putin. some stunning words there. and later, missing teen hannah anderson and her alleged captor james dimaggio, they've been spotted and we'll tell you where and the latest on that search. stick with us. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great.
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constructive. i know the press likes to focus on body language and he's got that kind of slouch, looking like the bored kid in the back of the classroom. but the truth is is that when we're in conversations together, oftentimes it's very productive. so the issue here really have to do with where do they want to take russia? >> so the bored kid at the back of the classroom. kevin maddon, can you say that about a russian president? >> that is not what we would call the most diplomatic language. look, i think the president has a real big problem here. he termed the reset with russia as a number one or very top foreign policy objective for his administration and it's totally unravelled, not only the last few weeks but over the entire first term and the two years that -- the months that we're into the second term. so he has a very big problem right now. he has to use this opportunity, again, as a chance to get ahold of that policy and actually try
to tell not only people in congress that he's going to need help from but also the american public that he has a clear poli policy. right now it's a muddled mess. >> two people i wouldn't want to be in class with, vladimir putin and president obama. very intimidating. >> our decision to not participate in the summit was not simply around mr. snowden. it had to do on the fact that frankly around a whole range of issues where we think we can make some progress, russia has not moved. so we don't consider that strictly punitive. >> so he says it wasn't just about snowden but isn't it fair to suggest that, you know, snowden was the last straw, the tipping point here, hillary. >> i hope so. we should all be clear. american presidents have never gotten in trouble by criticizing russian presidents. that's just nothing that american people are worried about. so he can be as tough as he wants with vladimir putin and he'll have the support of the
american people. it was interesting, though, that president obama, unlike what president just said actually started out talking about putin, talking about the successes that they've had in the first term with the previous russian preside president medvedev. there has been progress in the obama administration with russia. look, we just have to draw a line with putin here and i think the american people support the president and everything he says about his frustration with them. >> republicans of course say that that line should have been drawn a lot sooner than this. jessica yellin, the president spoke about the rift with russia and strict anti-gay laws. >> nobody is more offended than me by some of the anti-gay
legislation you've been seeing in russia. i've spoken out not just this week but also with other countries other than russia and one of the other things i'm looking forward to is maybe some gay and lesbian athletes bringing home the gold and silver and bronze, which i think would go a long way in rejecting the kind of attitudes that we're seeing there. >> he also said if the russian team doesn't have any gay or lesbian athletes, it will probably make their team weaker. jessica, i thought those were really interesting comments. >> this has been one of the signature legacy issues in his time in office, the promotion of gay and lesbian rights. so standing up for the olympics is not going to, you know, set that cause back for him. it's not a popular decision to
take cancelling the olympics. i would say more broadly i'd continue press putin on gay rights until the sochi olympics unfold. when he said we have good conversations that are candid and blunt, that's diplomatic speech they use when a conversation doesn't go well. so it was a startling way for him to describe his excellent relationship. so they do this back and forth quite a bit. >> very interesting. the president said he would not boycott the olympics over issues like gay rights or anything else. thanks very much. great discussion here. that was beyond just candid and blunt. coming up on "the lead," a potentially crucial lead for 16
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removed, but local law enforcement in the area were able to confirm through the vin number that the vehicle did belong to dimaggio. >> and then this news could possibly be just as big there. people on horseback might have seen james dimaggio and the 16-year-old girl believed to be with them, they may have seen them people on horseback in that i'd odaho wilderness, which is 1,000 miles away from where it began. paul? >> people may have seen them in the wilderness. good news, hannah looked in good health and did not seem to be
being held against her will. so now they're trying to follow the trail and determine just where they disappeared to. we know they have a lot of camping gear and detectives have said all week long that they were always fearful that dimaggio would make sort of a run like this because he is a skilled outdoorsman, john. >> that's where they think he might be, deep in the idaho wilderness. >> two bodies have been spotted in the wreckage after a small plane crashed into a connecticut home and set that home on fire. the body of one child has been found but another is missing. their mother managed to escape. the pilot's body reportedly has been found also but at least two other people might have been on board. officials say the plane was trying a second approach to the airport in east haven near new haven where it went down and there was no distress signal. >> a second opinion on medical
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your opinion on it. why do you think people are responding so strongly? >> i'm not entirely sure. i think in part it's one of these very provocative issues going on, people are very divided on this in terms of legislation in several states right now, that's part of it. but with regard of medicinal marijuana, where we focused our attention, there's been a long history on medicinal marijuana. up until '93, it was part of the pharmacopia. could have been a slow news day. i don't know. it did seem to touch a nerve with people. >> one pundit did call your change of opinion, said maybe you're suffering some side effects. >> what's even more disturbing is sanjay feeling those gupta
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welcome back to "the lead," everyone. in the sports lead, he is the number one golfer in the world again and he steam rolled through the bridgestone invitational last week, but one thing is still missing for tiger woods, a major. this year at least. he hasn't won one since the bush administration and he came in today nine strokes behind the leader at the pga championship. this is his final chance this year to win a major and get off the snide. rachel nichols joins us now.
rachel, 0 for 17 since he won the u.s. open in 2008. how close does tiger think he is now? >> reporter: well, he certainly thinks he's close. if you look at the big picture, you understand why. he's had a better year than any other golfer. he's won more titles, won more money. even in the majors he's had his moments but he's played better in those of these majors in the early days than he has on the weekends. i asked him when we talked, how can you be more clutch, well, in the clutch? >> just keep getting myself there. just keep putting myself there. the key is if i'm there, then i got a chance to win and i just haven't done it over the last five years but the key is o keep putting myself there and i'll start getting them. >> i know for you you've had a tremendous year, you've played great wolf but you seem to still want that major so badly. why is it so important to you
after all this time? >> well, they're the biggest events and it's neat being part of golfing history. you know, i've won 14 of them and they're so unique and so different. you're playing against the best fields, you're on the most difficult venues and the pressure is fantastic, it's fun. that's why there's a rush, that's why we play them, that's why we love them. >> reporter: tiger is about halfway through his second round. he's one over through the tournament so he is going to have to get more aggressive this weekend if he wants to finally claim that major. >> for any other human being, five victories in a year would be an accomplishment. for tiger, you get the sense that he feels he's coming up at least a little short. >> absolutely. this is a guy who lives for the majors. that's what puts new the history
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named dexter. he binds people in wrap and kills them. >> the relationship is that of rooting for these characters who are doing these terrible thing and asking ourselves why are we rooting for them? that is the kind of television that makes it so exciting. >> now let me finish. it's from little misdemeanor that major felonies grow. >> to the down right dangerous characters of today. >> that was the common wisdom is that people just wouldn't let these characters into the mainstream. that has schanged. i think we root for them because they're real. they are full characters.
they're incredibly well written. ne have problems much like we have problems. >> martin argues it's a new golden age of story telling more open to taking risks. >> the key to this revolution i write about is all of a sudden you don't need the most people watching. >> exciting, he says, because he control the stage. >> this new role of show runner elevates the writer for the first time to the real king of television. >> and right now it seems television is the king of entertainment, one with royally bad habits that we just can't stop watching. >> and that is all for "lead"
today. i'm john berman filling in for jake tapper who is back on monday, allegedly. i now turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." >> happening now, president obama strongly defends government surveillance but says he'll work to protect privacy rights. and a possible u.s. government shutdown. we have it all covered for you this hour. >> the hunt for the california amber alert suspect and the 16-year-old girl he may be holding captive moves to the idaho wilderness after horseback riders report a possible sight ing. >> and the great white sharks, imagine pulling one on to your boat. that's what some researchers are trying to do. i'm wolf blitzer. you're